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    Ep. 199•April 28, 2026•1h 19m

    199 | The Warrior's Path: How Lance Gibson Sr. Transformed MMA Grit into Spiritual Strength

    What happens when a world-ranked fighter and coach to champions realizes that his toughest battle isn't in the cage, but within his own soul? In this episode, we sit down with Lance Gibson Senior—a veteran of the UFC and mixed martial arts, actor, and founder of The Fearless Way. Lance shares his incredible journey from overcoming racism in Canada to becoming a pioneer in the early days of MMA. We dive deep into the "26-year legacy" of his son, Lance Gibson Jr., who mirrored his father's historic knockout victory exactly 26 years later to the month. Lance also opens up about his transformative healing journey in the jungles of Peru, where he traded the physical armor of a "protector" for spiritual clarity and purpose. Whether you are looking to master your own resilience or seeking a deeper understanding of the "spiritual fighter," this conversation offers a roadmap for leading with calm confidence and purpose. Key Takeaways: ·  Calm Confidence: True fearlessness is leading with clarity and purpose, reframing past hardships into the foundation of current strength. ·  The Power of Legacy: The "26-year mirror" knockout achieved by Lance's son underscores the deep impact of generational discipline and shared values. ·  Healing the Protector: Strong individuals must periodically "drop their armor" to process grief and fatigue; seeking spiritual maintenance is essential to avoid burnout. ·  Vibrational Focus: Maintaining peak performance requires guarding your environment and tuning out external noise or social media negativity. ·  Integrated Mastery: Elite physical performance and deep spiritual practice are not mutually exclusive; they are mutually reinforcing components of a "spiritual warrior. Keywords: Lance Gibson Sr, The Fearless Way, MMA Spirituality, UFC History, Men's Resilience, Ayahuasca Healing, Mixed Martial Arts, Lance Gibson Jr, Personal Transformation, Warrior Mindset, Healing for Men, Overcoming Grief, Jamaican Maroons History, UFC Knockout Legacy, Spiritual Warrior, Peru Jungle Retreat, Indigenous Healing, Mentorship for Men, Resilience Coaching, MMA Coaching,   Connect with Lance Gibson: Instagram - @lancegibsonsr Connect with Doug Beitz: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dougbeitz/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dougbeitz/ Website: https://buymeacoffee.com/dougbeitz Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6mQ258nugC3lyw3SpvYuoK?si=7cec409527d34438 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/intuitive-conversations-with-doug/id1593172364 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doug-beitz-472a4b338/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dougbeitz178   📍 Podcast Host: Doug Beitz 📌 Subscribe for more conversations exploring intuition, consciousness, and the unseen science behind healing. 👍 Like & share if this episode resonated with you.   Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction: Meet Lance Gibson Sr., Founder of The Fearless Way 01:36 - Early Career: Fighting in Guam and Connecting with Chamorro Culture 04:49 - The Warrior's Path: Is Fighting an Ancient Soul Calling?   05:55 - Heritage & Strength: Scottish Brawlers and the Legacy of Jamaican Maroons 07:07 - A 26-Year Mirror: How Lance Gibson Jr. Repeated UFC History 08:48 - Longevity in MMA: Why Wisdom and Experience Outweigh Youth 11:58 - The Spiritual Fighter: Integrating Faith and Humanity into Combat Sports 14:03 - Mental Resilience: Navigating Social Media Hate and Low-Frequency Energy 16:33 - The Weight of the Protector: Addressing the Mental Health of Strong Men 19:51 - Healing in the Amazon: A Transformative Journey to Peru's Sacred Valley 23:51 - Lessons in Presence: Overcoming Material Detachment and Ego 25:33 - Spiritual Surgery: Releasing 300 lbs of Emotional Weight with Shamans  26:51 - The Turning Point: Finding Vulnerability and Forgiveness in the Jungle 27:52 - The Power of Intent: How Investing in Yourself Initiates Change 28:43 - The Fearless Way: Building High-Impact Transformation Retreats for Men 30:45 - Breaking Barriers: Using Physical Intensity to Open the Soul 33:20 - Holistic Performance: The Importance of Organic Fuel and Sobriety 35:45 - Mentorship & Leadership: Guiding the Next Generation of Warriors 41:30 - Mastering Discipline: 30 Years of High-Level Resilience and Performance 45:15 - Living Without Regret: Overcoming the Fear of "If Only" 47:17 - Doug's Story: From Professional Firefighter to Island Entrepreneur 50:57 - Recognizing Synchronicities: Tuning into Signs from the Ancestors 54:17 - The Dream Realm: Exploring the Subconscious Mind During Sleep 58:30 - Ancient Lineage: Connecting with Gladiators and Past Life Lessons 1:05:40 - Finding True Purpose: Moving Beyond Career and Financial Success 1:10:50 - Leading with Calm Confidence: Practical Advice for Modern Men  1:15:30 - Future Vision: Upcoming Projects and Expanding The Fearless Way 1:18:20 - Closing Thoughts: The Impact of the Spiritual Fighter

    Transcript

    0:00

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    0:49

    And that's where I kind of bring out and you know, and a lot of men who I get a lot of, mostly my people are, as you can relay, is you, you know, you've raised your kids and it's, there's a lot of weight on our shoulders and, and it's not okay for us to complain or cry or say we need help. I always had a hypnotherap, hypnotherapist, sports hypnotherapist, and I would remote view all my opponents and so I would go to Japan and I'd sit in the, in the corner of when they were training and I'd watch what they're going to be doing to prepare for me.

    1:19

    Welcome to the podcast that guides men to demystify and develop their intuition. I'm your host, Doug Bytes. Let's dig into the science and expand your horizons. My guest today, Lance Gibson senior, overcame racism as he grew up in Canada to become a world ranked fighter. A veteran of mixed martial arts and a coach to world champions, he spent over 30 years mastering discipline, resilience and performance at the highest level. Now an actor in major film productions and the founder of the Fearless Way, Lance helps men transform their struggles into strength, guiding them to lead with clarity, calm, confidence and purpose. Lance, welcome to the podcast.

    2:06

    Hey, I'm happy to be here.

    2:08

    Yeah, no, we've got so many different things I want to talk to you about. I'm sort of like, I'm trying to work out which one to hit you first one I'm going to ask. In a previous podcast I was listening to you and it was the podcast was all about, you know, UFC Mixed martial arts and stuff like that. But did you fight once there in Guam?

    2:27

    Yeah.

    2:28

    Yeah. What year would that have been?

    2:32

    Wow. I'm thinking probably 98 around there.

    2:37

    Okay. Because we were living over that way.

    2:40

    Are you really? Yeah, I loved it. It was like heaven on earth when I was there.

    2:45

    Yeah, we weren't in actually Guam. Did you fly there from Hawaii?

    2:50

    I flew there from. From Canada, actually. They had the organization I was fighting for. That's where they started holding their fights because it was a military base there and a lot of they were big fans and the guy, he. He kind of did in Hawaii and they in the Super Bowls went to Guam and then I just have. I had. I was. I'm not sure if I wasn't fighting in Japan yet. And I went over there and I fought a huge fight. It was historical fight, but just the Chamorro people and they took me in and I'm still friends with them today. I'm doing business with one of the guys I met back in the day. He became one of the biggest guys in promotions in the United States. And we're still friends to this day. Guam has always touched my heart. Yeah.

    3:38

    So there's an island hopping flight that goes from Guam to Honolulu and like three days a week and it has six stops along the way and we were always the third stop, like on this tiny little island just north of the equator in the middle of nowhere. And so we would often go to Guam to shop and the flight path from Australia. So if we were coming back to Australia to visit family, we would always have to spend a day or two in Guam on the way, you know. And so, yeah, and it was a big shop thing for us. We'd go up there and shop and buy heaps of stuff, take it down to the freight forwarder and they'd put it on a ship because we had a little hotel, restaurant, scuba dive business. And so a lot of our supplies for the restaurant came from there. And yeah, it's just a lot. Not many people go to Guam, you know.

    4:26

    No. And to this day I'll be. I'll be. Keep walking down like Huntington Beach, California down the street and. And somebody from Guam atlant. And I go, what? And then we're like, this is like 30 years later. And it's like, hey. And then it's like I'm meeting these individuals around the world that I've met in Guam way back then. It's just. Yeah, it was a great, great place. It was, it wasn't as commercial. I haven't been back, but it wasn't commercialized. It was like a Hawaii without being commercialized back then. The water was beautiful. The culture was awesome.

    4:55

    Yeah, Yeah. A great place. And they've got a lot of unusual history there, too, that they can't even, you know, like, there's the stones carvings, you know, these lady stones and all sorts of weird and wonderful things. I mean, it's not like Easter island, you know, that extent, but they've got. There's a lot of unknown history there, too, on that island. It's. Yeah, yeah. Pretty interesting sort of spot and. Yeah, so. And I just. When I heard you talk about that, I thought, yeah, that's. That's an interesting little. Little one. So I'm curious with all the fighting, because I've never grown up as a fighter. Like, we've grown up kind of different that way. I'm curious, does the fighting give you, like, a high?

    5:37

    You know, is a high. It's. It's like. Like being a firefighter going in to save lives, and it's. You get. You get that adrenaline and it's. It's something that you do and serve people, and it's. It's something that you stand by. It's like an oath. And it's the same thing as a warrior, this is. As a fighter. It's. I. I don't even think of myself in the present. Present tense of. Of this world or this lifetime as being a fighter. It's almost like it's in. It feels ancient to me and my family, so we've done it many lifetimes before, but it's just. It's something that was. It's just inbred in us, so it's something that we just do, you know, feeds our soul.

    6:25

    And your father's Scottish, is that right?

    6:28

    Yeah, my father's Scottish, my mom's Jamaican.

    6:30

    And there's the odd movie around with the Scots brawling back, you know, back in the day.

    6:36

    Yeah, between the. The Scots and the Braveheart and the tough Scottish, and then the Jamaicans and the Maroons, it's just like I got fighting in my blood.

    6:44

    So the Jamaicans are fighters, too?

    6:46

    Oh, yeah. The Maroons are one of them. You don't hear about in history unless you dig. But the Maroons were. They never. They brought over from Africa and they never became slaves. They went into the hills and they. They never became slaves. And they came back and actually freed a lot of the slaves. And they fought where the. The slave owners had to make a treaty with them because they were too, too ferocious. And they. They would get. They would go in and collect slaves and bring them back and make their communities, and they built up in the mountains and they could never be conquered. It's really interesting.

    7:15

    Yeah. Wow. That isn't interesting at all. There's all these little bits of history around the place that we. You never hear about, because it's always the victor that writes the history. Exactly. I'm going to tell you about stuff that I want you to hear about. Make them seem a bit weak or whatever.

    7:34

    Yeah, exactly how it goes. Right?

    7:37

    Yeah. Yeah. And then because of talking with you, like, I've got four adult sons aged between 24 to 40, and I mentioned. And a couple of them are sort of into UFC, etc. And I mentioned that. I was talking to you, and they're like, haven't heard of him, but we've heard of his son. And so couple of more boys know Lance Gibson Jr. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    8:01

    We had a great weekend last night, so.

    8:03

    And how old is he?

    8:04

    Last weekend? Last weekend, yeah.

    8:07

    Yeah. So what age is your son?

    8:10

    He's 30 now, and he. We were just at the UFC March 28, and he. It's really interesting, and it's just another proven thing is he. He won. He won by knockout. And it's 26 years later from the same month that I fought and won by knockout by the exact same knee at 2. 26. 26 years later. And it's like he. He repeated estuary in the same time. And it's just. It was like, amazing. It was amazing. And it was. It was just. Something was just, wow. It's just. It's just seeing that, you know, this is. This is written in our past, and it's just another way to say, oh, yeah, okay, you know.

    9:01

    Yeah, yeah. So now at 30, being a UFC fighter, and I am so ignorant. Ignorant of the sport. I apologize. But I'm curious, age wise, like, how does that put in? Does that. Is he in his prime? Is he like, what. What's the peak age for a UFC fighter?

    9:18

    Well, you know, the organizations want to say that you're. My wife's 41, and she's fighting for a world. Her fifth world title at the end of summer. So they want to make you believe that when you get past your mid-20s, you're done. And it's like, no, I'm, you know, I'm a. I'm a. I'm an infinite soul. It doesn't matter what age I am. It's. It's. You define who you are. Like nobody thinks my wife could do it. But if you look at all the great champions, they all were in their 38 40s, you have that, that knowledge, you have that wealth of wisdom and that's where they are. They just don't. It's not good for the business because they want the young guys will fight for cheap and this and that. But you get, if you look at most of the champions, they're mostly in their late 30s, sometimes 40.

    10:11

    Well, you look even at surfing. Are you familiar with Kelly Slater?

    10:16

    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    10:17

    Or like he, you know, he's late 40s. I'm not even sure how old he is now, but he's probably, he's probably 50 now. Like, you know, phenomenal. Like just, he's whipping it up with kids that are like half his age and. Right. You know, and I'm not sure in the last couple of years, again, I live very close to some of the beautiful beaches where they have all the surf comps. Just did like 25, 30 minute drive down the road. But I was never a surfer and so I'm not up at the latest. But yeah, yeah, and I was watching that, the Smashing man movie with the rocket the other night. And you know, at the beginning of it he talks about, you know, the mindset. You know, you can be a flashlight or a laser beam, you know, and he had a real good little analogy there at the beginning of it and it's mindset and, and obviously at the beginning of his career he had the mindset and then, you know, a few things messed his head up in that story and.

    11:14

    Yeah, so, yeah, like you say and because, you know, the guy in the. Who's 22, 23, his body's fit, but his mind's reckless. There's, there's no perfect time for us, is it? When our bodies are like extreme, our minds just haven't got a clue. And as you get the wisdom of the age, because I'm 62 now and as we start to get the wisdom of the age and I'm thinking, oh, I'm. I actually know a little bit more now than I did back then and. Jesus, I did some stupid stuff back then. Like I was stupid stuff and I did some really stupid stuff and now, gee, I wish I could, you know. You wish you could have the ultimate body and, and the mature, you know.

    11:57

    Yeah. And the maturity and all that.

    11:58

    Yeah, yeah.

    11:59

    It's just a little wisdom, I guess, but it's like. Yeah, I know, you know, you get the odd ones that are very smart and I, My son's been pretty smart from the get go. I've raised him from that in it. So he's been pretty, pretty intelligent. And if you ever get a chance to hear him speak after, on an interview or after a fight, if he's different, he's different than a lot of the fighters out there. And he comes from a thing of. He comes from, he speaks from faith, from spirituality, he speaks from humanity. And it's great because unfortunately, the sport we're in, that's not who the fans are, that's not who's really watching it. And you know, and to be who we are, it's hard, it's hard to have fans like this because it goes against everything we stand for, you know?

    12:51

    Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, I hear you. And I know my podcast. I'm, I'm out trying to teach men to develop their intuition and I, I've had. You're familiar with David Goggins, I assume. Yeah, yeah, I've had his brother, older brother, Trunas on the show. And actually I got to meet David that day. He, he was visiting and so Trunnis called just before we started recording. He said, I got a surprise for you, Doug. And he called him over. Oh, and had a 10 second chat. How you going? And so anyway, I did a little short one day on YouTube and as we were talking earlier, before we started hitting record, you know, like technology's not yours or mine's, you know, expertise. And so I've made this little short of the thing and I put it on YouTube and I was just simply threw in this, in the little short I did. Did you read your brother David's book? And you know, so it's got David in it and Goggins and da, da, da. So it comes up.

    13:48

    So it's had like quarter of a million views and it's had a lot of comments. There's thousands, thousands of comments on it. And some of them are from people who don't normally listen to me. Obviously there's some, as we'd call in Australia, there's the odd bogan comment

    14:10

    and

    14:10

    you're thinking that was not a nice thing to say. Like, how did you even get that comment out of that 45 second short video? Like, what?

    14:21

    Right.

    14:22

    How did you come to that conclusion? Like, where, where is your head? So I get what you mean, like the, your fan base of the people who like to watch that.

    14:32

    Yeah, yeah. They're unfortunately, they're vibrating at a different frequency and it's a little bit lower and in the fans, like, you know, we've had to deal with a lot over the years, just my wife being a four time world champion and it's, it's as these people get online and they have, there's a lot of hate in them and they're, they're not very happy with themselves and they just, and that's job to try to do things like that. And it's like you got to have tough skin because there's a lot of, a lot of performers or fighters out there that the Internet gets to them and they can't distress is too much.

    15:02

    Yeah, yeah.

    15:02

    So I, I take, I take junior off Instagram and, and my wife off Instagram or any of the social media before the fight, at least a month and a half before. And I let them come on and come off and so it just isn't, it's an energy that can drag you.

    15:18

    Yeah.

    15:18

    Because if you live your life by it, I, I just, you know, there's so many people out there and it's betting and when betting's involved is even worse. You know, it's like we're humans, you know what I'm saying? Just, you know.

    15:30

    Yeah. When we get off this call, I'll try and remember to forward you through an Instagram video a friend sent. And as a friend here in Australia, he's a, he's got a couple of boxing world records and stuff. He sported me a video yesterday and it's from the UK and it's. This guy goes up and knocks on the door of the house and the guy sort of answers it and he's in his, you know, dressing gown, robe sort of thing. And he says, are you, you know, it's some ridiculous name, you know, whatever it is from his Instagram handle name, you know. And he goes, yeah, that's me. He said at 3:47pm on this date. Did you say this about this fighter? And he goes, yeah, like I could beat that fighter with one hand behind my back and one eye closed, you know. And he goes, oh, okay, we've got the right guy. And then he said, he looks around at the truck out in the street. Oi in here.

    16:20

    And that fighter gets out of the back of the truck, comes over and like whoops into him, like gives it to the ground. It's like, yeah, thought you said you would handling with, you know, and you haven't even got one behind your back, you know, and then they go up to another one and they go like, there's not one female boxer out there that I couldn't beat with both eyes closed and one leg tied up and all this sort of stuff. So then they, you know, you said that. Yep. So they get the female boxer and she comes whack. That only that was true. If only they got their wish, you know?

    16:55

    Right. I know.

    16:58

    Yeah.

    16:59

    That's awesome.

    17:00

    Yeah. So. And I've heard on. You tell these stories on other podcasts where you gone through different things in your life and because, like I say, you and I, there's certain things that we're on very similar wavelength with, with, you know, intuition and stuff like that, but we grew up very, very differently so now. And you. You had a point in your life where you felt you needed some guidance, some what. What. Whatever word we're going to use here, and you decided you were going to get that down in the jungles of South America.

    17:38

    Yes.

    17:39

    So do you want to tell us that story?

    17:43

    Yeah. It came to a point in my life. Like, you know, I achieved a lot of great things, and I was. I'm a. I'm a caregiver for the family. And I had my. My dad, who's my best friend, and he was fighting cancer, and I put everything spiritually into that, trying to heal him with every. Every thing I could think of. And my, you know, my mom. And then I had these fights where I'm. My family, my wife's doing world titles and my son and the business and Covid and all these crazy things just coming and dealing with the grief and. And the pain and just not let alone. You saw the smash machine and it. What, you wonder. You see how. How it affected a. A guy who was on the big stage. And what, you know, to do is go in there and just, you know, you got to fight, and then you got to go back into society again and just knowing the difference and trying to be a businessman and teach kids classes and do that and all that. It was. It came to a head.

    18:44

    I think it was two and a half years ago. And I was, you know, it was. It was. I'm still. I'm still successful, but not inside. I was killing myself. You know, I'd come home and, you know, I have a couple of drinks because that was my painkiller. You know, my body's beat up. I'm stressed. I'm worried about my father, you know, and it wasn't like I was just. I was just a couple drinks. Couple drinks, which was fogging my spirit, fogging my vision, you know, and that was my painkiller. That was where I'm taking my grief. I was self medicating and I'm. But I'm still trying and taking on a lot from a lot of people, counseling a lot of people and counseling fighters and students and clients. And it was just a lot. And it got to a point where a big business deal went wrong. And it was, it was. It was nothing to do with what I did. It was, it was. I was dealing with a shady organization and it kind of affected my wife's career.

    19:42

    And it was like when the dust settled, I was to blame and it wasn't me. And I was like, I didn't do this, but she had lost part of her career and it hurt me because my whole idea was to protect my family and do my best for my family. And it was a lot of weight. And then Covid hit and I tried to stick with the same things. I was in there mopping up, doing anything. My. My son and my wife, they went over and they built a farm and bees and orchard. And they said, we're done. We're done with society. We're done with everything. You can't take it. People turned into whatever they turned into in a. In a disaster. And I was trying to do this, everything the same way, you know, and come to have the masses and successful gym and this and that. And it was too much. And it got to a point where I could hardly. It was. I could. It felt like I had a 300 pound weight in the back of my shoulders. And I was. And my dad had passed. So I'm dealing with that grief.

    20:35

    I'm worried about my mom and, you know, and all these kinds of crazy things. And then my health just started kind of. I could just. I was fading away. And I just said. And I've always said, I've done some sweat lodges with the indigenous over the years. And I said the last one I did was like 10 years before. And I said, the next time I go, I'm gonna go to. To the indigenous in South America and Peru and I want to do a ceremony with them and I want to get healed and I want to do ayahuasca and I want to. I want to get healed with them and I want to. I want the true, the best shamans. I don't. I don't want North Americanized. I don't want that. I want to go right to the roots of it. And I've never traveled on my own. I've always been on with my fam. Like a family or something like that, or for fights. But I'VE never had to travel. And this was like going to a different halfway across the world. I was in pain. I had enough. And I. And I got.

    21:28

    And my wife was like, you gotta go. And I know, I know that counseling is great for a lot of people, but when you counsel a lot of people and I need something. I need somebody to be able to relate to me. Like, he's been through my stuff and who's come out of it not from a book. It's just not for me. And not from a book and not from. You know, there was nobody around to have like, a similar story that I could look up to. So I needed a higher power. I needed a higher spirit to look up to and get healed. And when I went there, I got in the plane, and as soon as the plane took off, like, I profusely started. My body just let go. And now that I know I run my retreats, I see it on the people I heal, but it's. It's. It's almost thanking you. I profusely cried for like nine hours in the flight. I'm like, what's going on here? Like, what is going. I can't control this.

    22:22

    And it's like my body's telling me, thank you, you know, and that was part of the healing journey. And when I got there, it was just like. It was just everything you could thought went wrong on the way there. We got to Dallas, my flight got canceled, so they shipped us off into like a little shoddy hotel. Then I came back the next day. They gave away my seats, and then they put me in the middle seat. I'm a big cat, you know, you put me in the middle seat, and I'm like. And then they said, no, I wasn't on the plane. And then we got on the plane, went to take off, got up in the air two hours, turned around, came back to Dallas again, and I'm like, what is going on here? Like, is this not meant to be? And I didn't ever wanted to leave my family because I was. I'm the protector. So I had a problem believing my family too, instead of doing it. So then the next day, we got. We finally got up in the plane, we had a fight over again, my seats.

    23:18

    They gave my seats away. And I just don't understand that. And then we got there, blew into Peru, was like maybe three in the morning. We got off, went there, get our bags. Everybody got their bags, and my bags don't come out. And I'm like. So then it was six in the morning I'm waiting for my bags, nobody's speaking English, I'm not speaking Spanish. I'm like trying to call my wife because she does all this stuff on the thing. She's like, I'm sorry, I can't do anything from here. You're have to deal with it. So I only have one outfit that I've been wearing for three days now on my flight. And I get in there and I. So I get. We finally get to the hotel and. And I have the same outfit. And I was, I was. I was kind of. I was angry, I was upset and I'm complaining and. And then I had to go for dinner and I was like, okay, well, I gotta get something. So I went down to the local department store. And then, you know, there's not improve.

    24:10

    They're not built like me, man. I'm an athlete. I'm not built like me. So everything was small. So I had this two sizes too small shirt and two sizes too small pants on. I'm going to dinner and I'm just angry. And then we're sitting there at dinner and I had this view of the sunset and it was like, shut your mouth, be quiet and be here now. And I looked and I go, I don't. Doesn't matter what I'm wearing. Doesn't matter. None of this matters. Just be present. And that was like the start. And then my bag still didn't come for about two or three days. But it didn't matter to me anymore. And when they did come, I don't know why I packed half this crap. It was like I didn't need it. And then I got. And then we went into the. Into. We went all the way up into the Sacred Valley. So you're up at 12,000ft above sea level. So it's like your ears are. You're. You're getting migraines, your teeth are chattering. It's. It's tough.

    25:05

    You get the coca leaf and you do all this stuff and I'm walking around. You could hardly walk a block. That's how bad it was on you. And a lot of people had problems. We're in Cusco. I spent a couple days there and I started getting acclimated. And then we got on a bus and went into the Sacred Valley. And I mean, the most beautiful place I've ever seen, the gardens and the places we stayed in, it was just beautiful. And then as I met the shamans, and so they didn't speak English, but they trans. Did the trans. It was Just the knowledge. And these were like a husband and wife that been doing this since their children and their children do it. And it was like just the power of the male and the female energy and the much care they knew. It was what they were speaking and in their songs they were doing to heal us. You didn't have to speak English. It was, it was universal language. I understood everything they were saying.

    26:02

    It was, it was this so awakening, so powerful that it just like I got everybody. Some people don't see anything sometimes. These 10 journeys, I. I can't say 100 fixed myself, but I 90 fixed myself. On the first night I had a. I had such a rude awakening that I got back to my. Well, I crawled back to my room and then I called my wife and son. I said, I'm sorry. And they go, what do you mean? What are you sorry? You never say sorry because I'm the tough guy, does everything. And I go, I'm just sorry. I'm sorry for not being present. I said, you know, I've been showing my love in a way all these years by just doing hard work, being that, that gruff dad and being that, you know I love you and this, that. But I'm doing these things, but I'm not being present. I'm not looking in your soul, I'm not looking in your eyes. And I'm not, I know I'm just too busy trying to do the work but not connect. And I just said, I'm. I apologize.

    26:59

    And they were like, whoa. They couldn't believe it. And we all had a little cry on the phone. And then the next journey, and the next journey just was opened up more and more and it was like, it was like some he did, they did some spiritual surgeries on me and healing with their hands. And it was just like it released, like I said, a 300 pound weight off the back of my neck. And from that day on, it just changed.

    27:26

    Nice. It's interesting you were talking about your crying on the way there, probably. Back in 2017, I flew to California and I signed up for a five day energy clearing retreat to learn how to do it. And the teacher there said to us, she said, how many of you had changes since you signed up? And she said, it's not uncommon at all, that the moment you make the financial transaction or you book your air ticket or whatever, there's that spiritual commitment to what you're about to do. She said, often for people, changes start to occur at that point. It's not like waiting till you get to the event and then go through the process. It can already be unfolding for many people. Yeah, and as soon as you said that, I thought of that.

    28:20

    Yeah, absolutely. And I see it now with my retreats, the same thing. Once you decide to invest in yourself, it starts there. And I try to get people before they sign up with me a month, I try to give them a cleansing diet, a cleansing of who surrounds you and energy and just tap into it. And I got individuals that you would never, who are actually listening to their intuition, who are listening to their, to their dreams to are listening to energies and frequencies that you would never, they would never even think of that before. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's so, it's so interesting. It's just so interesting that what we can tap into.

    29:00

    Yeah. So the, the fearless way that you have now, it's for men.

    29:06

    Yes. Yeah.

    29:07

    All right. And so how many men do you try and have there at a time?

    29:12

    So I like to, I like to do five at a time. I don't like to have a big, a huge group. It's more inclusive. It's more of a exclusive and inclusive. It's a, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's five men that come to my, my retreat and my property here and they have their space and it's, it's a weekend to themselves. Three nights, like four days of deep, deep work. Deep, deep physical work. Because I feel that with men over the years I've noticed, you know, a lot of people go to seminars and this and that and you kind of sit there, but your, your, your body hasn't moved. And it's, you know, once I break them down physically, the barrier is gone and that's when they come out with their true feelings. And it's so much easier after a good workout. It's just so much easier. And then the good food and, and I cook for everybody and we are all organic, grass fed and it's, they're fueling themselves and it's a sober weekend.

    30:12

    You know, there's no alcohol and some of these guys are battling with some of those things. So it's like, hey, I can come something cool. I can work on myself, be better. But it's a sober weekend too. People crave that, you know, so it's, it's been great, you know, and I put it out there and I see, I see it's interesting what characters come together and it's just a week. By the end of the weekend. We've done a lot of breakthroughs and just, you know, and it's. I'm. I leave them with tools that they can go off and try because now that's the real work. This is just a great week and everybody can go on vacation, go to Peru and do what you want to do. But now every day is a job to rewire our brains to a new way of thinking and our bodies that are addicted to these things, you know,

    30:58

    so if you got guys coming who have not necessarily been on a spiritual path before, they're just, they're, they're fighting some sort of addiction or some sort of. Something's messing in their head or whatever. So this is stuff you're teaching is an introduction to spirituality, et cetera for them?

    31:16

    Yeah, yes, it is. It's. I open them up to that, to something higher and greater than themselves. You think you're just here on this earth and it's just you. And this is all that goes where you got it wrong, that you know you got it wrong. You know, we're here to, to help everyone love everyone and put forth for. Put forward towards humanity. You know, love. And it's. I got a lot of guys, I got a lot, A lot of high functioning businessmen are very, very successful, but they're not happy. You know, the money is not going to make you happy. The next business deal is not going to make you happy. You got to be happy with inside yourself. And that's where I kind of bring out and you know, and a lot of men who I get a lot of, mostly my people are as you can relate is you, you know, you've raised your kids and it's, there's a lot of weight on our shoulders and it's not okay for us to complain or cry or say we need help because we got to be tough.

    32:16

    But that's not, you know, that's not what it is. It's, it's, it's, it's allowing you to talk to other men who have the same problem and, and work it out and say it's okay to feel that way and you got to talk about your feelings or you're gonna, it's gonna break, you know, so it's, it's a lot of my guys, some of them have substances like alcohol or, or drugs and stuff like that. But a lot of them are just. Guys are like, man, I got two kids, man, I'm getting at a kind of I'm, I distress of trying to get these bills done. I haven't done my. The things I used to do and, you know, I'm coming. I. I come first and. And then I. They come first and I can't take care of myself. And then I can't do that because I gotta do this. And it's like you, if you're not healthy mentally, physically and spiritually, you can. You're not gonna be here to take care of anybody. And I had to learn that lesson.

    33:04

    And once I learned that, now I can pass it on to who's around me, who surrounds me.

    33:09

    So I'm curious too. Like, when you exercise them physically, what sort of little regime do you run them through? Like, I'm just debating here how tough it is, whether I could handle it.

    33:19

    Oh, yeah, you can handle it. It's. I do it to everybody's level, and I always have everybody have the individual trainer. So we go on. We go on some hikes, some. And they're pretty easy hikes, but a lot of people don't even take the time to get out in nature. So I have. I have a Lake at two lakes right by my house here, like 40 minutes down the road. We get in there and then we go into the. We do a nature walk, like a walking meditation, and we get in there and then we do breath work. And, you know, sometimes I'll do some remote viewing going forward, or I'll go back into past lives and say, where have you been? Where have you that? And figure out who you are and what's your passion on here? And then we do. And then we do a meditation and then we kind of just slow down the nervous system, come home, then we have some breakfast, and then we head down to the martial arts school down the road, my gym down the road, and we.

    34:04

    I train everybody to their own level. If they've never done anything before, you got a trainer, and then he's going to put. He's going to push you, but he's going to push you to your level. And then I got some other people who are really good and they get pushed to their level, but it's. I just want to fatigue you, but then empower you and feel, hey, you know, I'm a man, I'm strong, I can take care of my family. I feel good. I'm. I'm strength, but it's not. It's a way that. But I'm. It's a way to empower, but also take away the shield. And then now they come home, they're fully exhausted, and because we've. And then. And then we do these exercises on our, on our inside, on who we are or why we're here. And we have a sheriff's hooker run the fire. And we kind of talk about our stories and we listen to each other's stories. I mean, say, hey, that's how I feel, man. Then you kind of feel like you got a brotherhood, a bond.

    34:51

    And then we kind of, we have a night and then they have the night under the stars. We have a spa here, a hot tub, and I'm building another sauna here and having these kind of things for recovery. And I, and I'm, I'm actually training everybody like my professional athletes. So the way I cook for you is the same way I cook for my fighters, my, you know, when I'm on the road. And it's, it's just, this is a fight, this is a fight to gain back our set, our real true selves. So I trait, I treat everybody like a fighter, but it's not. You don't have to be physically, you don't have to be fit. Last guy was there, he could, you know, he was, I had him on a walk, I had him just hit the midsom stretch, you know, because that's the most he could ever, he could even do. But that was, that was a huge accomplish accomplishment for him.

    35:36

    Yeah, nice. And you mentioned that, a remote viewing. I'm curious, when did that start to come into your life?

    35:43

    Yeah, that, that came to my life, I would say in the 90s, but probably before my, my father and mother, we, they grew up listening to Art Bell on the, on the radio. And so I listened to it, going to sleep every night. And we've been. My, my dad was tapped into that for a long time. Bending spoons was mine. He was always that kind of cat man. He was the outdoors. He was really cool. He was a cool cat man. And so I grew up with that and remote viewing. I used it in all my fights and I always, I had, I always had a hypnotherap, hypnotherapist, sports hypnotherapist. And I would remote view all my opponents. And so I would go to Japan and I'd sit in the, in the corner of, when they were training and I watched what they're going to be doing to prepare for me. And, and you know, I know it sounds out there to most of the MMA world, but it worked. And I do it with my son and I do it with my wife and she's been four time world champion, she.

    36:40

    And we go right into the camps where these people are across, it doesn't matter where they are in the world. We go in there and we watch what they're doing to get. And nine times out of 10, every time we see. Every time we go in there, we see exactly what they've done.

    36:52

    Yeah.

    36:53

    To prepare for it.

    36:54

    And I can remember when, you know, video became more mainstream, you know, all of the. I'm sure they did it in the States because they're doing it in Australia. And we would have copied, you know, the U.S. you know, like the gridiron teams and all that sort of stuff, the games, you know, they analyzed the. Their opposition from, you know, from all the video footage and how. What they were doing and how, you know, all the plays, you know, so they just sit there watching it mechanically that way, with film, and you're doing it in your mind. And yesterday on my men's group, one of the guys in there, and he's from Canada as well, and he's. He teaches remote viewing and stuff like that. And it was. And what. One of the. The guys who was on the call as well, he's a boxer, and he's just getting into the spirituality stuff, and he's like, so what do you mean remote viewing? Like, you know, like. And because the boxer, he visualizes a lot.

    37:52

    You know, he sits there and he goes through his whole game. You know, he's visualizing. And so it was sort of trying to take it from. Well, you're visualizing stuff. You know, you're picturing yourself going through your next fight, how you're going to handle it, how this guy's going to come at you and you know when you're going to duck, when you get whatever you do in boxing.

    38:11

    Yeah.

    38:12

    But, you know, sort of trying to get him to realize that remote viewing is a. It's different to that. But, you know, we're glad you've used that. And that's an excellent skill. This is. It's not next level. It's just different, you know, it's a different angle, a different way to do things. And so you don't have to watch. You don't have to, like, pay for the video footage of some. Your next opponent of his last fight. Yeah, yeah. You go out into the realm and you're able to tap in and watch it. Yeah, that's really cool. And it's so cool that your dad was like that.

    38:46

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a really cool guy. I grew up with really good parents that were, you know, my parents like my dad and I think I've said this before, but another podcast is like. Like, we've always. My dad's always been into that. My mom has been into that. And. But they, They've. They've witnessed. It's funny, I know it's off topic, but they've always been into things because they've seen it. They've witnessed a UFO outside of her house. And I was asleep and they didn't wake me up. And I'm so. I'm still mad to this day, but they didn't wake me up. But my brother, my dad and my mom saw it. And then other people in the. In community ended up seeing it as well. And I remember my dad going to. I don't know who you go to to try to report it, and they tried to make him sound like he was crazy. And then I was like, yeah, forget it. I know what I saw. And my dad, you know, so I. Growing up and knowing that there's UFOs out there, there's.

    39:38

    There's others, other beings than us. And then I think it was five New Years ago. My son, my wife, my grandson, my mom, they all saw a fireball on New Year's and I'm sitting in the kitchen cooking. And I missed it, too. Again, I was so pissed off. I'm the one who wants to see it the most. And everybody else has seen it, but it's just. Just a reminder that we're not here alone. We're not the only ones. Guys, you know.

    40:04

    Yeah. Listen to. And I don't really listen to UFO podcasts, hardly at all. But I. I was listening to a podcast yesterday and the get somehow, rather it was two Aussie guys, and somehow or other the conversation came up about a UFO sighting. Yeah, I think it was in the. It was in the 60s in South Australia, and it was. It was like a UFO look like the flying saucer almost landed in a school. Like, it came down that close. Hundreds and hundreds of children, all the teachers all sat there for like five minutes watching the thing. And within an hour, the military were there. Now, in the 60s in Australia, in that city, there wouldn't have been military around like normally, you know, and they. They convinced all the teachers to zip their lips, you know, the kid. And it was in the newspaper and all that sort of stuff. But then it just died off big time. And it's apparently recorded as one of the largest audiences in the world.

    41:11

    You know, there's only been a handful of these ones where hundreds of people.

    41:15

    Yeah.

    41:16

    Minutes all witnessed it. And Sort of basically saw the same thing and. Yeah, it's crazy.

    41:23

    That's amazing.

    41:24

    Yeah. And I've often wondered what's. What's out there every night because, you know, we're a little bit rural and out where we are, there's a lot of stars and stuff. So every night I take the dog out about 9:00'. Clock. I'm always looking up, you know, Always. Yeah. Wonder what might be out there. But we're in a. We're at the bottom of a valley. We've got sort of like the creek running past our house. So the mountains are pretty high on both sides, so we. I have a limited view of the sky when there's. Sometimes when there's, you know, lunar eclipse or something like that. I've had some and I want to watch it. I have to get in the car and drive a couple of kilometers to get advantage point so that the mountain's not blocking it. Because in winter we lose the sun at 3pm it just goes the rest of the town. Like if you drive 10 minutes away, they've got the sun till 5pm but just because of the mountains where we are, it can get a bit like that.

    42:17

    So, yeah, we're on a lot of mountains too. We have more rain than everybody else and a lot of fog. But, you know, I still love the mountains, but it's the same thing. It'd be sunny way down there and we were up in the clouds.

    42:27

    Yeah, yeah, we get that. And our little microclimate, like we. We grow plums and all sorts of stuff. And for anyone who grows, you know, stone fruit, you have to have 500 hours a year or something like that, of temperatures below a certain temperature. Well, if you drive 10 km from our house, you couldn't even think about growing a plum tree. Like it just. Well, it might grow, but there'd be no fruit. Yeah. Whereas we. We have like a huge big crop of them just because of the tiny little microclimate that we're in. It's just very unusual. Heaps more rain and everything and get the running creek that runs through and. Yeah, it's a nice little part of the world. So fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Just looking for my questions here, I've got for you. So one thing that seems to, for me is an issue, and I think it is for a lot of people, but a lot of people either don't admit it or recognize it, is fear.

    43:30

    And I'm curious, with all the things you've done and the fights and all that sort of stuff, what's your greatest fear.

    43:38

    You know, it's funny because my nickname's Fearless, and so is my son's. And it doesn't mean we're fearless. It's the fact that we don't let it conquer us, so it inspires us. I, for years, I, Years I didn't have any fear. I've had, conquered everything. But now it's just, it's not even a. I don't think that I can even call it a fear. It's, it's, I guess, a fear of not being the best I can be like, meaning at this point in my life, meaning enjoying ever being in the present moment. It's like, we've had many fight camps. We've had many. These are, these are things that are going to live with us forever. These memories. I, I, you know, we're blessed to be. Have a wife and a son and father all doing these things, traveling the world and doing this. And I remember I used to let a lot of stress take away a lot of the moments that you, you sit back and think, oh, well, what if he loses? What if he wins?

    44:48

    Hey, nothing's going to change if he wins or loses. The sun's still going to come up tomorrow and everybody goes to work. So letting that go, the anxiety and the stress of trying to control the future and be in the present, I think this is what brought me this fight in. In particular, I've never been so clear. Going out like my son's, going on a kid, into the UFC, into the cage with, yeah, 20,000 people in there. This is on live TV. You know, he can get hurt, but I have, There was no, I prepared him. I have faith. I know what it is, and win or lose, I'm proud of him. In the guard, Nothing's going to change. We love each other, so why do we let these things hold us back? That's. That's a fear. That's the only thing I could fear, is not allowing me to be exactly who I need to be as this, in this human body on Earth, and be who I'm truly amazing. That's. Holding back, you know, holding yourself, your true self back. That's the only fear I could.

    45:41

    I could think. Think I have.

    45:44

    Nice. Yeah. Very, very good. And I know years ago, when I, I was a professional firefighter, and after 10 years, I resigned to move overseas to that little tropical island I talked about and build a scuba resort, and I had a guy come. I, I gave my work a month's notice that I was, you know, leaving, and one of the. One of a guy came up to me who I was working with and he said to me, you know, Doug, I really admire what you're doing. But he goes, I've got five kids and I had three at the time. And he said, it's just too, what you're doing would be too scary for me to do. I couldn't do that, you know, just to leave this good government job as a professional firefighter and da, da, da, da. And I said to him, bill, you know, I hear you and I know exactly what you're saying. But I said, I've got the fear of getting to 60 and saying two words, if only.

    46:42

    And that scares me far more than leaving this job, moving my, you know, selling my house, putting all the money that I can get out of the, you know, the deal from selling the house and paying the mortgage out what the cash was left, putting all that into this business on a foreign little island in the middle near the equator. That fear is lower than saying if only, you know. And so, you know, if only. I've tried. And yeah, I'm so thankful I did try and I can now, like, I can't rest on my laurels because that, you know, we've been. We moved back to Australia at the end of 2016 from that we rounded up them and, you know, moved it on to new owners and that sort of thing. But at least I've got that. And I tried it. Did something, you know.

    47:35

    Yeah, that's fantastic.

    47:37

    Yeah. So it's courage.

    47:38

    That's courage. That's. That's just wisdom and courage and that's just amazing. People even do that. It takes, that takes a lot of courage to do that.

    47:47

    Well, the funny thing was, wife and I were in our late 20s and I was always coming up with ridiculous business ideas or I'll say ridiculous, but she thought they were. So I'd always run them by what do you think if I did this or did that, you know, because as a firefighter, you work. Back then we were working two 10 hour days, two 14 hour nights. And if you, depending what station you're at, if you're at a quiet station, you got to sleep, you know, six, five or six hours through the night, you know, if you didn't get a call and then we would have four days off. And so because we were doing 48 hours in four days. And so it just rotated like that all the time. So we had a lot of free time. So most guys worked a second job, which I did. And I was trying to Come up with a business to do, you know, on the side. And she would always scoff and laugh. No, that would be silly.

    48:36

    And then one day, I'm reading this business magazine, and I, you know, sitting there, we're actually in the doctor's surgery. She was pregnant with our third son, waiting for her monthly checkup, you know, and I read this business article about the business opportunities in this location. And so I just mentioned to her, sort of turned to her, and I say, hey, da, da, da, da. And she was very hormonal, you know, like being very pregnant herself. And I got her at a moment of weakness, and she goes, yeah, sounds like a good idea. Let's do that. So we're in our late 20s, and I was too young and green. I'd never had a. I'd never had a business. I'd always thought of having one. And, yeah, next thing, we borrowed a ridiculous amount of money from the development bank in that country, and it took. It took two years to, like, put the whole deal together and, you know, contracted to build the place and lease land and multiple visits there.

    49:33

    And, yeah, it all happened. And I look back now and I think, there's no way I could do that again. Now. That was so hard. But at the time, I was so young and green and ignorant. Nothing seemed hard. Like, nothing. Yeah, it was just. There was every obstacle that there was thousands of obstacles every day just, you know, that you couldn't stop and go, forget this. It's too hard. But I just didn't even realize it was hard at the time, you know? Yeah, just something doing. Just do it. It was actually like a fire burning in my belly, and I just had to do it. And that just overcame all of the obstacles. It just. It was the right. And there was, you know, we're talking about, you know, the podcast about intuition. That's my favorite thing. My second favorite thing is synchronicities, because they go right in with it. And, like, there was just multiple synchronicities at the beginning. Like, that border and where I was starting to.

    50:33

    I started to recognize, and I'm like, wow, that's crazy.

    50:37

    That's.

    50:38

    Is that a sign? And at the time, I didn't know anything about synchronicities. I didn't even know what the word was. And, yeah, I was recognizing that things would all coming together in unusual ways. And I was like, wow, this. This could really be what I'm supposed to be doing. This. You know, there's. There's signs here, and I just went with it. I never Never, never even mentioned them to my wife. I don't think, you know, I just recognized it. And then when we sold it and, and all that, the same thing, ridiculous amount of crazy synchronicities that, yeah, it's time to go. And it all just came together and off we went. So. Yeah. So, talking about synchronicities, can you. Is there anything you can think of that maybe it's happened in your life?

    51:28

    Oh, it's just, it's daily. I, I was just talking with one of my clients this morning. I was training them. We're talking about all the synchronicities before this fight, what he's going through in his life. And it's like if we just sit back and listen and see, you'll know you're on the right path. You'll know what's right. And this, I know this is partly intuition, but it's also being intell. Like being aware of the synchronicities. So there's signs they're giving us our soul group or our people, our ancestors on the other side are giving us these clues. We just got to wake up and look and see them. I, I see them every day. But as we get more in tune, say I can say a fight camp or if I'm opening another business or these things, it's, it's. They're guiding you. If you listen to them, they're guiding you to the way and just, you just gotta listen to them. And now is every day. It's just like I'm very aware of it.

    52:22

    I'm always looking for them now because it's exciting, you know? You know, and it's exciting in, in the awake world we're in. And when we go to the spirit world and dream at night, it's even more exciting. So, so I don't know which one. I'm actually more excited about going to bed at night, figuring out what I'm. What's going to. Messages are going to come or, or being in a day to day basis. It's, it's. There's so many gems out there now that when you open the veil.

    52:51

    Yeah. It's funny, you talk about the bed and like I, you know, and I sort of said earlier, like we're very opposite. I'm extremely passive and I'm just not a physical fighter. But I think at nighttime when I go to sleep, I think I become a guardian of the galaxy because my wife hates it. We're now actually in separate rooms. We get on better than ever now because we're in Separate rooms. Because often at night, I don't just snore. I apparently kick, jump. She goes, you've almost levitated in the bed some nights.

    53:29

    Oh, my God.

    53:30

    Yeah. And I rarely, rarely physically contact her with it. But, yeah, my arms and legs go crazy one night and I don't never wake up. Except one night I was dreaming that there was something beside the bed and I had to get it to, like, you know, to stop. Whatever. Yeah. And I actually leapt out of the bed and I landed on all fours on the floor. And of course, I woke at that point, went, oh, no. I wonder. I wonder if she heard me. So I sort of snuck back into bed, the covers back on, and. Yeah. So she's like, I wonder where you're going.

    54:08

    I wonder where you're going. The dream. I wonder what you're doing.

    54:11

    She often said it's not every night, you know, but it's at least once, probably at least twice a week. And she'll just, like, look at me in the morning with these ridiculously tired eyes, you know, like, I couldn't sleep, you know. I said, was I snoring again? Snoring? I wish that's all you were doing. Yeah.

    54:27

    Wish there was.

    54:28

    Yeah. So we're fortunate. Now we've. Now the kids have moved out, we've got extra bedrooms. And so. Yeah. And then. So each morning. She's incredibly happy with me now because she sleeps. And many years ago, it was just snoring. But, yeah, the last 10 years, it's evolved into, wow, martial arts fights, all sorts of. Yeah, yeah. Going on. Yeah. So that's when I do it. Yeah. Actually, when I was a kid, I was. I was about 8. We went on holidays, and across the road was this huge, big park, and there was a toilet block right in the middle of it. And for some reason, I met this other little kid. He was probably. I was probably 9, he was probably 7. And we just started talking. The next thing, we climbed up on the roof of the toilet block, and we're just sitting up there talking, like, looking around, and there's hardly anyone around.

    55:14

    And then this group of boys, and they're probably about six of them, probably nine or 10 years old, and they were the locals, and we were on their turf, so they sort of ordered us down off the roof and they. And because the other kid was little, so they left him and they surrounded me, the six of them, really, in a real tight little thing. And they're saying, you know, you're gonna have to pay for this. You've Got to fight the toughest guys. So they're sort of like. And he's. And I'm like. And I'm. I'm pretty scared because I've never been in a fight. I'm super passive. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna get smoke beat out of me. Which I'm not into pain. And I didn't even think. Just they're all sitting there and they're all looking at each other, giggling because, you know, like this was funny. That had me totally surrounded. And I'm facing the guy who I've got to fight. And he looked pretty tough to me at the time.

    56:03

    Out of nowhere, I just, my fist just clenched and I just woofed him in the stomach and put him like doubled him over. And that created a gap and I just. And they were all like stunned. They were like, what had just happened? And. And so I'm sprinting away and they're chasing me. And mum and dad had rented this little apartment across the street and I'm screaming. And now we're having an afternoon nap and when you're not really sure what mum and dad are doing and I'm screaming, dad, dad, dad, dad. Never appeared. And they rugby tackled me right out the front of our apartment and I'm screaming, dad, dad, dad, dad. Anyway, I think they thought my dad was going to come out, so they ran off.

    56:48

    But they ran.

    56:50

    Yeah, man, I didn't even think it. Just all of a sudden I punched him in the stomach and ran. And I'm like, where did that come from? It was like I was possessed for two seconds and just. Yeah, but I only punched him in the stomach, you know, so you would have got over that pretty quick.

    57:04

    Oh, that's great. Great.

    57:07

    So I guess when I'm cornered, you know, it was like a cage long, you know, I came, came out, like with instinct. Just didn't even think, wow, that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so I do, I do have my fighting, but it's just not here.

    57:24

    In your sleep.

    57:25

    Yeah. And like to watch the. My kids watch one of my sons, he pays. You know, when Conor McGregor and these things in the years gone by, you know, they pay 20 bucks to have the TV, you know, the subscription for four hours while the fight's on or whatever. And I'm like, and dad, come on over and watch the Conor McGregor fight. And I'm like, I did. No offense, but I just like, yeah, yeah, I'd rather mow the lawn. You know, when I was a kid, I'd Played, you know, rugby league and, you know, we played sort of sports and all that sort of stuff. But even that now really wanes off. It's like. And particularly when we moved overseas and we didn't have TV for years and so you lost track of all this. And when we moved back to Australia, if I watched a game of rugby league again, I didn't know any of the players. It's just like, it was like, oh, so I lost interest in TV sport. So.

    58:24

    Yeah, but you know, if I came over there and hung out with you and your son or your wife were fighting somewhere, mate, I would be in my element. I would. I thought of that earlier. I thought, dude, I've got to get over there one day when there's just to go and sit there. Because for me it would be like going to another world. Like to go into an arena where there's masses of people, the cage in the middle of the thing, to experience all that, you know, the, the roar of the crowd, the, the. The odd 1% bogans in the, in the crowd, you know? Yes.

    58:56

    I mean, well, higher than that. Higher.

    59:00

    The rest. Everyone else in a suit and tie, all very sedate, you know. But yeah, no, no, I think it would be. Be quite an experience. Yeah. Yeah, it's.

    59:10

    It feels, it feels ancient to us. It's like we've been the gladiator stages back in ancient Rome. We've been in different lifetimes. It's just, it's home. It's home. Just like we did before.

    59:23

    You may have been a gladiator back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. So do you think that you chose to incarnate in this lifetime, right now, at this time, for a specific reason?

    59:36

    Yeah, I, I have. And I've done some past life regressions with. In life, between lives. I've been doing that. I've been. My dad got me into that, but with Michael Newton. Some I did it, some lbl, lbls and all those different things. And I've been warriors in the past. I've been on the winning side, losing side. I've been che. I've done many things and I visited. I. And I've done it for my ayahuasca journeys too. I've gone back and see my other lives as well. And what I've learned from those things, I was. We were brought down. And it's interesting because I was telling my wife the other day and it's because I'm here with my, my house and my retreat and I can't always be with my Wife and son and my mom and my in laws over on our. Where we have like a bit of a farm and a compound. So I spend lot of the week here and after I've just been going on for the last two and a half years since I did on my journey. So it's almost half the week.

    1:00:36

    I, I'm, I am by, by myself and I've been thinking about these things and I, and it's like, it was interesting the other day I said to my wife, I said, you know, we got married back in. I think it was, yes, there we go. My memory. But I say over okay, 15 years ago and could be wrong, could be right on, on the date. But I was trying. I love my wife. I love, I love her eternally. But marriage is changed. The thought of marriage to me has changed in the fact that I didn't really need to get married to love this person and be with this person. I really, I really. In the last two years, I think about it as we're in a spiritual contract, a spiritual partnership. It's not marriage. Marriage is just going to the, going to the, for me going to the church or going to this event and everybody's having this thing in the government now. Says your man and wife.

    1:01:37

    No, we're two souls and we have a contract we came here on earth to do and we have a partnership and we're going to hear to achieve these certain things in our life. And as you can see, my wife's a fighter, my son's a fighter and I'm a fighter. Now that's, that doesn't happen in this world generally. So we came down here to do, do these things and inspire individuals around the world that we can be good people, we can care about humanity, but we can be a warrior at the same time. And we're. I'm here to help her and she's here to help me and I'm here to help them. And now when I look at some of the hardships we've gone through, like some of the arguments or some of the hard times, I don't take it personally anymore. You don't take it personally because it's, we're here for a higher reason to help each other and this is what it is.

    1:02:28

    So I, you know, the times when I was kind of low on myself and overstressed and, and not my best, you know, in this human world we can talk about, well, at this time in your life you weren't, you know, you weren't a nice person or you weren't there to help me this. And, and I, you know, and I would say I did, I was doing my best, but I get hard myself. I don't do it. No, because those things gave me the wisdom today. But I didn't go through those things. I couldn't be helping others, other men right now. I had to go through that. So I don't. I look at things that are different. Every hardship I've been through is, is propelled me to the top. So the way I look about relationships with people now, it's not just a relation, you know, it's who are close to me, at least. It's not like. It's not a transaction. It's. It's a spiritual contract.

    1:03:23

    Yeah. It's interesting you bring up there about the actual wedding ceremony needing to be married. I'm a very, very part time marriage celebrant. I think I've married eight couples and each one of them who, because I don't even advertise, it's just people here, you know, I get a phone call and it's like, oh, we were at so and so's wedding and you were there. Or, you know, so and so told us that you're a good celebrant. So, you know, and each one of them, I've asked them the question, do you really want to legally get married or. And to be honest, half of them, like, definitely, yes, definitely. Because they're doing it for immigration status. Oh, okay, I get it. Yeah. But the others, I've sort of said to them, do you really want the government having a say in your life? Is that, is that why you want to do this? Like, I get that you want to commit to each other. You know, I said we can do the whole ceremony exact and all. It will.

    1:04:22

    The only difference will be there'll be two differences. One, I won't have to say this specific paragraph. You won't have to say one specific sentence each. And you won't have to sign anything at the end. So it will be. No one would really realize that it was different. And they're like, oh, no, we want to, you know, we want a time. So, okay, I do what they want to do. But yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's. And yeah, the first, the only reason I did it is because we had not long purchased this acreage property we're on. And one of our son's best friends was getting married and he and his bride to be asked, could we use your property to get married on? I said, yeah, sure. And then we're sort of walking. Walking up to the spot of where they were thinking of having it and talking about it. And my wife sort of says, oh, Doug, you should marry them. And I'm like, what?

    1:05:21

    You know, so I wasn't a marriage celebrant at that time, so then I had to go and study part time for six months. It's actually in Australia here. It's a huge, huge legal study process.

    1:05:33

    Yeah.

    1:05:33

    Like it's. It's crazy how much you've got to study to do it. I nearly pulled the pin and gave up. Like, yeah, it's all legislation and yeah, there's a lot. I was shocked. And luckily for me, because when I was in the fire service, I had a desk job for a couple of years doing code enforcement. So I was used to opening up the state legislation and referring to, you know, so that I had that background. So it made it a bit easier. But yeah, yeah. And I, I hear you with. And I've been married 42 years and I hear you with the actual having to go through the ceremony and all that sort of stuff, you know. You know, is that really necessary? And you sort of see stuff in. On tv, you know, of movies from hundreds or thousands of years ago where they would do some sort of ceremony. But it was just so the local tribe recognized it. You know, it was, it was a rite of passage. It was. Yeah. A change in your life. So you had an event, you had a.

    1:06:35

    You put on food, you. Everybody. It's. So when it was over, everybody knew you were different.

    1:06:43

    Yeah.

    1:06:43

    You know, not tying it. You know, it's, it's. And the difference is these two people are now tied together emotionally. So. Yeah. Do we need the government, you know, having to register our names and all that sort of stuff? Yeah, you know, I hear you're on that one.

    1:07:01

    Yeah, it came to me a while ago. I was like. I had to say to my wife, I just had to. It was bugging me. I had to say. And she goes, I agree totally. So, you know, we did it. We did it for her parents and she's Italian, so it's Italian thing. They want to do it this and that, but realistically it's no, man. We were meant to be together regardless. And it's higher, it's big. It's bigger than that. And I think if everybody started looking at it like that, you wouldn't take things so personal. You would. You'd work to debt. You work together more. Because marriage is like, it's almost like marriage. Okay, now I'm handcuffed, and I gotta do this and I gotta do that, and this is the person. And it's like, no, man, you know, he's. We're here to help each other. You know, it's. It's just a. A higher way, you know, I. A higher way of thinking, I think.

    1:07:49

    Yeah. Complement each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, yeah, my wife and I are very, very different people, and we complement each other in many different ways.

    1:07:58

    Exactly.

    1:07:59

    Yeah. It's been. This has been a really amazing conversation because to talk to someone who's been. Grew up fighting, and we didn't cover that, but I've heard you tell that, you know, because, you know, you have darker skin, you were short, you got picked on, and, you know, you ended up having lots of schoolyard fights, et cetera, et cetera. It's just been part of your life. And. But then to hear your upbringing with, you know, your parents and listening to what you listen to and that sort of stuff, pretty unusual, and to be a mixed martial arts, you know, UFC fighter. But then you're talking about remote viewing, recognizing synchronicities, spirituality and. And all that. How many other people in your world of fighting are like you?

    1:08:49

    You know, I really don't think there's. Many, very many. I. I think, you know, my son just got off a big MMA interview with one of the biggest guys out there, Ariel Hawani, and he was flabbergasted what my son was saying, and he's like, we don't get fighters talking like that. Junior was talking about the frequency and this and. And the spirit, and. And he was just like, he was. He was enthralled by what he was saying, and it was. It was. Made me more prouder than actually the fight because I'm like, we're showing a new way, man. It's just. There's not many of us there, but there's. Our light shines bright. And my wife's the same way. And I'm. I've always taught my students, so every. At the end of each class, I do. I do a meditation and I talk about, get inside. Get outside this earth body, you know, and be. Figure out who you are, what. What are you, who you truly are, as a. As a spirit.

    1:09:43

    And if you want to better yourself, you got to look deeper inside your in passes, the skin and bones. And look who you actually. What's your passion, who you want to be, who you can actually help. What are you doing on this earth, the better humankind. Because if we're. If we're just going up to our next dollar. We're just doing this. And this night. You got it wrong, guys. You're at the wrong school. I say there's many other schools out here. How did you find me? You came here for a reason. I'll take advantage of this and understand. And I say there's. It's more than just this physical. And I leave them on that every night and it's interesting and they get it. So I'm hitting the masses and I do it with the kids too as well. And it's just one person at a time. Can some people get it and some people won't. And I've learned over the years. I've been doing this for 30 years. And it's an energy in the gym. It's not even about business anymore.

    1:10:45

    It's about an energy. And that's, that's. I only want to attract the people that are in that energy and who want to become greater. I, I can't. It just. The universe will push out the other ones and I don't have to do anything. Push out the people who are there for the wrong reasons or who are. Do not want to vibrate higher.

    1:11:05

    So wait again?

    1:11:08

    Yeah, no, it's just that's how I'm. How I've. Trying to. Trying to mold my martial art community. And I mean I've been doing it for 30 years and so that I've taught thousands of thousands of individuals that I'm touching these people that can actually spread in this crazy world we're in right now. Spread love.

    1:11:32

    Yeah. That's great. Because the different frequencies attract or repel, you know, like you just. Yeah. And if you're at a diff. Totally different frequency, you just don't even see or hear what's being said or can't appreciate it. So it's. Yeah. And like a car radio, if you're, you know the analogy again. My first car was made in 1973 and it had a AM radio. We didn't even have FM radio back when I first got my first car. And you know, you tune and it had a dial. There was buttons. You could, you know, lock into channels, but if you turn that dial, you got the static in between and, and when I wanted to. Then when they, you know, probably when I was 20, they bought out FM radio. We have to buy new radios for our cars, you know, an AM FM radio. And so, you know, it's like, like you saying, well, if you want to come and train at my gym, you've got to Be on a different frequency.

    1:12:30

    And it's like, well, the radio station, if you want to listen to our really cool songs and, you know, whatever else we have on the radio, you've got to buy a new radio, you know, and it's like, it's the commitment. Do I really. Am I happy with just my AM radio? Am I happy with what I'm hearing? And if you are, you are like, well, keep enjoying that. If you want something different, if you want to move on, you've got to get it. And then, you know, when I was a kid, we had black and white tv and then they bought out a different frequency that sent signals differently through the air. And it was color tv. And if you wanted that, you had to go and pay a thousand bucks for color tv, you know, and they haven't changed much in price. You know, inflation's helped a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. I remember 1975, we had a kid in our class. He was family were very wealthy and they had a. That 1975 was the year color TV came to Australia.

    1:13:30

    And he was telling us, he said, he. I think he had one or two siblings. He said, our parents said to us, we've got a choice this year as a family. We're either flying from Australia to Disneyland in California for a holiday or we're buying a color tv. Which one are we doing? And they went for the color tv because I don't think it was a big difference in price. It was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they first came out and. Yeah, so it was. Yeah, that was. Yeah, they wanted that. They had to pay the money and they tap into the different frequency that was out there. And as we go and evolve and I think we've gone way beyond color TV now, mate. You know, you get into remote viewing and you get into recognizing synchronicities, because everybody has synchronicities in their life every day. They just don't necessarily see or hear them. It's like the. The FM radio signals going right, right past your door.

    1:14:31

    If you haven't got your FM radio turned on, you're not picking up the signal, you know, and so you. You're recognizing synchronicities every day of, you know, messages there. Because my thing is, I believe there are invisible benevolent forces there who love us, who are constantly trying to get messages to us. And synchronicities is a big way that they're trying to get them to us. So.

    1:14:55

    Absolutely.

    1:14:57

    Yeah.

    1:14:57

    Yeah, absolutely.

    1:14:58

    Have you ever read that book or heard of it, the Celestine Prophecy.

    1:15:02

    Yes. Yes.

    1:15:04

    So last week I did a two hour zoom session with the author's daughter and it was all about synchronicities. So it was really cool because I see all sorts of, you know, courses for all sorts of things, but it's the first one I'd ever come across specifically for synchronicities. So it was, it was great. And I thought I knew most stuff about it, but I thought it would be a cool thing to attend. But yeah, I learned some stuff. It was some different. A different angle for the whole thing.

    1:15:31

    Yeah, that's cool.

    1:15:32

    Yeah, that book probably 15 years ago for me was pivotal in a big change in my life. After I read that one it was. Yeah.

    1:15:43

    You know, the funny thing is, funny thing is I had, I got. I downloaded the audiobook on my soul journey to Peru of the Celestine Prophecy.

    1:15:55

    Right.

    1:15:55

    So that's what I was listening to on the plane the whole way there.

    1:15:58

    So it.

    1:15:59

    So fitting.

    1:16:01

    Yes.

    1:16:01

    You know, it was cool.

    1:16:04

    Yeah. And you're getting ready for like some big fight in the jungle. Some. Yeah, the guy, the men in black chasing you around. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    1:16:15

    It all took. It all took place there.

    1:16:17

    Yes. Yeah, yeah. No, I love that story. I think it was probably divinely downloaded into James Redfield's and then there was several others after that, which I devoured those as well. I think there was at least three other books. There was the 11th scroll and the 12th scroll and that sort of thing. So cool. Yeah, excellent. Well, loved our chat this morning. Well, this morning for me, I don't know what time, what day is it for you?

    1:16:47

    It is three, almost four o' clock in the afternoon.

    1:16:50

    Okay. All right. Okay.

    1:16:53

    And on Wednesday before you guys.

    1:16:56

    Yeah, so Thursday for me. And we're adjusting to that too. A day or two days or three days ago, our son and daughter in law flew to Rome and that was a bit of a circus, you know, with all the challenges happening in the world. Like this is. Oh yeah, April 2026 is right now with you know, all the stuff in the. And of course their flight was via DOA in, you know, United. Arab. Arab. And so their flight changed like 25 times in the two weeks prior to them going because of all the stuff over there with the Rand. But they ended up still flying through there. They had a one and a half hour layover. Wow. In the United Arab Emirates and. But everything else was just. It was a lot of different changes of flights but they still went that way. And then they just. We just woke up this morning and they've sent us a couple of photos of them at the Trevi Fountain in Rome and somewhere else.

    1:17:53

    Oh, fantastic.

    1:17:54

    Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so they, they're there and made it and everything. Cool. So is there anything we haven't talked about that you would like to mention? Anything where.

    1:18:07

    No, I think we're good. I think, I don't. I think they hit everything we had everything pretty good. Pretty well.

    1:18:12

    Yeah. Hit the high points. Very good. Well, thank you, Lance, for your time, attention, and for all the sharing and to show the men out there listening how different the world is. Everybody, you know, we've got a spiritual fighter and it's not, you know, years ago, not something I would have thought we'd have. The same in one, in one body, one entity is doing this stuff. And it's, it's all for good reason because like I say, you're reaching a lot of people, training men and bringing this to them with the physical side as well. So it's amazing. Exactly.

    1:18:47

    Yeah.

    1:18:48

    Excellent.

    1:18:49

    All right.

    1:18:49

    Thank you.

    1:18:50

    Thank you, man. Thank you, Doug. I really appreciate it.

    1:18:53

    Well, we're at the end of another thought provoking episode. Remember to subscribe so you'll be alerted to new episodes. I want to say thank you to the men who were joining me on this journey of intuitive development. I truly hope our time together has expanded your reality and reinforced trust in your ever reliable gut feeling. Embrace your intuition. It will not lead you astray. Until next time, stay tuned. Stay curious and trust your gut.

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